Meg Remy and Amy Millan Have a Text Conversation

The U.S. Girls and Stars songwriters talk tape, intuition, and the unexpected magic of slowing down ahead of their respective new releases.

By Glenn Alderson

Photos by Colin Medley and Tess Roby

This spring, two pillars of modern indie music are stepping into bold new chapters. Amy Millan of Stars is releasing I Went to Find You—her first solo album in 16 years—on May 30 via Last Gang. Meanwhile, Meg Remy of U.S. Girls returns with Scratch It, her ninth full-length, out June 20 on Royal Mountain. Both albums are rich with reflections on grief, selfhood, and creative rebirth.

To mark the occasion, we connected the two artists in the most casual, contemporary way possible: over text. What unfolded was a leisurely, layered conversation between friends and fellow travelers—touching on analog recording, the mysteries of artistic timing, the history of Etobicoke, and how sometimes the best thing you can do for your work is to get out of its way.

Meg Remy: Good morning, Amy. This is Meg. I realized I could text you from my computer! Thought I’d start a thread for us. I am currently in Nashville in a Dolly Parton-themed Airbnb, no joke hahaha. I listened to your album yesterday at the airport. I was very moved by how textural the sound is, including your voice. And I have questions for you around that… but first I wanted to ask you about the Etobicoke School of the Arts. I live in Etobicoke, not far from that school. I am curious if you grew up around there. Either way, can you tell me about your memories of that area? What was Bloor and Royal York like back then? Any spots you used to hit up after school? I want the Etobicoke scoop! (Just gonna leave that there and there is no rush to respond. Perhaps we can just go back and forth at our leisure over the next few mornings and see what happens? Ha!)

Amy Millan: This is great! Yes, leisure is how I shall proceed (a sick kid at home, boo). Are you in Nashville to play? Write? Nashville always breaks my heart. The boulevard of broken dreams is more prevalent to me in Nashville than Hollywood. That strip where every bar has a star sans there’s two people drinking and one playing slots. I lived in Cabbagetown and trekked the 13/14 stops out to Etobicoke. I had gone to Jarvis Collegiate and was miserable, so my mom got me a late audition to the school for my grade 11 year. Emily Haines (Metric) happened to start at the school the same day and we met lost in the halls looking for music class. I kind of consider that the first day of the beginning of my life. 

MR: Wow. I can’t imagine that much travel every day as a teen. Would you listen to music on the subway?

AM: Weirdly Emily lived one stop away at Sherbrooke St., so we would take the subway together back and forth from school everyday and, as teenage girls, always had a lot to talk about. We could also just spend HOURS on the phone (we called it hot ear). My daughter is 14 and the tradition continues. But now with FT, ha. I have been in a whirlwind of family affairs but today carved out some time for a walk so I can mentally disappear into your new album. Curious: Where did you make the album? 

 

 

MR: Hot Ear! Ha! Yes, I know the hot ear well. I have strong memories of my mom coming into my room in the morning, pulling my covers back, annoyed, trying to find the cordless phone that I had fallen asleep with that was now out of batteries ha! I made the album in Nashville which is why I am back down here now. We will play the album in full on Wednesday and film it. I think it’s a good walking album so it should be a nice companion for you today. 

AM: Making a record in Nashville sounds so dreamy! Just an epicentre of such legendary music.

MR: It all kind of came together like a dream. Very little pushing, it just unveiled itself and continues to… I had a festival to play in Arkansas last April and I couldn’t afford to get my Canadian-based backing band down for it. So, I looked at a map, saw Nashville, and remembered I knew a killer guitarist from there. I reached out to him and asked him to put a band together to play the festival. He said yes. I flew in the day before the festival, we rehearsed, the band was hot and had everything ready to go. I felt very cared for. Then sitting at the hotel bar the night after playing the festival, I admitted I had never made an album to tape. They emphatically encouraged me to. And so then and there we decided to make an album together. Then suddenly it was August and we were recording! It all happened very fast. 

AM: I LOVE THIS. The alchemy of the muses at work and how they want us to manoeuvre. I have a similar kind of magic intervention. I wanted to take a break from Stars, so we agreed to take a year off. Our last show on the books was Dream Serenade and that same night I met Jay McCarrol and the next day I asked him to write a record with me.

MR: Yes. This is how it works. Or how it can work if we sit back and let things reveal themselves/follow our intuition.

AM: Yes, I definitely felt when I loosened my grip on what I thought needed to happen it all of a sudden made room for what could happen.

MR: I love how “taking time off” is like some sort of signal to the muses…they hear that and storm in, “Oh yeah, you wanna take time off now? You sure?” 

AM: Ha! I more meant a break from the cult-like mentality of 25 years of relentless (fun amazing privileged wild) work with this same (best friends family brothers) group of people. Change is scary. The muses really took care of me by bringing this new collaboration which I never would have anticipated at this stage of life. How did it feel recording to tape? I’m so excited I know this before listening. My first album is on tape and I loved it. Different pressure and more zeroed in focus on what to track as it can’t be endless like digital. Such delicious warmth in tape. 

 

 

MR: Ah I see, that kind of break…wow. To have a new, excited collaboration start after a change like that must have felt like a nod of encouragement though. Like you had made the right choice for yourself and your flow. Recording to tape was a revelation. I don’t know if I can ever go back to staring at a DAW ha! 

AM: That rewind sound?! Heaven!!!

MR: I loved the laser beam focus it encouraged in all parties involved. No one wanted to waste tape or waste time. We were all on our toes but also so rooted. Embodied. I was really nervous going into it but it ended up being painless! Kind of like my C-section hahaha. It was wonderful to just do two takes of a song and then choose between the two. And then move on. Not endless digital comping and fussing and layering. And the sound of it all…Yeah, there are tape emulators and all that good, accessible digital trickery now but you can’t emulate the material conditions of the tape and the musicians actually hitting said tape in real time. And now I feel like I have a new understanding of all the albums from the past that I worship…

AM: “Not endless digital comping and fussing and layering.” This is the beautiful focus freedom in tape for sure. 

MR: Focus freedom! Love that phrase. I really do think limitations are freedom.

AM: Drowning in choice can be such a creative killer.

 

 

MR: It’s like going into a grocery store without a list… Gotta have that list or else you are gonna come out with a bunch of whack ass shit you don’t actually need. 

AM: And hungry.

MR: Exactly. 

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MR: Morning! Picking this back up…can you tell me about the stunning artwork for your album and how that came about? What body of water are you in? (Again, no rush to respond, just leaving this here for ya…)

AM: Good morning! Sorry, still a little sick kid at home, so navigating all the things. Also loving your album Meg! It’s so timeless and lush and original. “Dear Patti” – this SONG! I’m guessing Patti Smith??? “There were only two women on the stage that day.” So much relating to this song. Chasing children around backstages. Resonating so much for me. Just beautiful. And the tape sound! I feel like tape just LOVES drums in particular. Such a home there. It sounds incredible. Congratulations. The artwork was conceived by my friend Rachelle Dupere and her creative partner Evan Kaminsky. 

The photo was shot by Tess Roby. All these continued alignments. I loved The Weather Station’s photos and went on a dive and found Tess who happens to live in Montreal. I was so excited she lived in my town and we had a magical day of photos. The lake I am in is a part of the incredible land where the record was recorded in Lost River. I went swimming in the lake every morning before going into the studio. There is a dahlia placed there in honour of a person we lost in our community. Is the cover of SCRATCH IT what I see with the link? Is it a treated photo or painting? I can’t quite tell… Delicious, most clean crystal lake. Swimming before recording – what a gift – it is the greatest way to greet the day. I’m water-obsessed. Many bodies of water in lyrics. 

MR: I’m so glad the album is hitting for you! And yes, “Dear Patti” is about opening for Patti Smith. A beautiful but complex day for me. I was really hoping to meet her and was so excited to see her set and then neither thing happened and I was left feeling flat and hurt somehow ha! That song tumbled out. The cover is a photo of me when I was 11 years old, doing glamour shots at the mall. I photocopied it and messed with it in Photoshop and it took on this ghostly, saint-card patina that felt era-ambiguous and a little spooky. I love it. Swimming before recording is the dream. Damn. What sign are you?

AM: Sagittarius but Scorpio rising, and Pisces moon. So much water. You? Also when will the show be and how are you feeling about playing all the new [material] live? Your video is really interesting too. What’s the concept there? It seems you have your hand in it all which makes for great fluidity. Baby Meg on the cover, I love this. Playing solo album shows live for me is always an emotional left turn and there is a lot of mental gymnastics I need to contend with. A lot of dreams where the mic doesn’t work and the strings are falling off my guitar! Working on this for the upcoming stages…

MR: I am a Cancer and Cancer rising. Also drowning over here. So much water. The show is tonight! I am excited but also worried I am going to forget lyrics but don’t want to have sheets out, ya know? Gear/show dreams are so funny! I always have this one where the stage is incredibly deep and I just can’t seem to get to the front of it. Some force is holding me back. And then there is the one where I have a giant knot of cords I am trying to untangle and my set is starting and I’m on stage just sitting there unravelling the cords frantically. When are your first shows for the album? Will you play totally solo or with a band? 

AM: Have an AMAZING show. So exciting. I have a person, the great Chris McCarron who also plays in Stars, coming with me. My first show is Toronto June 14. No pressure, start in your hometown haha. I hope the show feels like a completion of the album journey. Those dreams are hilarious. Our movie minds!!

MR: Full disclosure: I hate the hometown shows. Toronto and Chicago are both hometowns for me and I just hold my breath through those ones. I don’t like playing to the faces of people I know and love. Ha! Will your kids tour with you? And what’s the longest you have been away from them? 

AM: They are intense! Montreal and Toronto [are] my hometowns. My solo album release for Honey From The Tombs was like a WEDDING. Every single person I have ever known was there. It was bonkers. They come on some, depending on how much fun they will have. The longest I left Delphine was 17 days and it felt like an eternity and when I left her I got the most massive cold sore on my entire top lip. Are your kids with you now? We have not left more than 14 days since Bo was born. Which also still seems like a lot. Partially the break from Stars was so I didn’t have to stress about that for a year. Evan being in both my other hands is what adds to the stress. Does your partner stay with the kids? I look forward to this being the case when I go on tour in the fall. Less stress when I know they are with their one parent at least.

MR: I toured with my kids when I was still breastfeeding them. But they are four now and I think it’s okay for them to stay at home. My partner, his parents and some friends will work together to care for them. I haven’t done more than four nights away from them. June will be two weeks. I have no idea how that is gonna feel… but it’s not financially possible to bring them so it just has to happen this way.

AM: I understand all this on an extraordinarily deep level. Many feelings.

MR: Too many feelings. Wish I could have a break from feelings for a day or two hahaha.

AM: I know!!! Honestly that’s why I’m so grateful for this last solo album. I got to place a lot of feelings there. Four, so cute!!! Mine are eight and 14. 

MR: Four is a very cute age. I can’t believe how chatty! Non-stop talking. 

AM: You have twins?

MR: Yes. Twin boys.

AM: Good lord. You are a superhero. That must have been quite the first year!!! Double the boob double the work but double the adorable. 

MR: So much boob, so much work, so much love. I am blessedly exhausted. 

AM: Such a magic to twins. Speaking of leaving, I am about to head to the airport for Toronto so we can pick this up later but so grateful for this piece and getting to connect with you. It’s crucial to find people (women) sharing this experience. This has meant a lot to me. So thank you!

MR: I approve it all! Ha! And thank you. 

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MR: I am back in Toronto. What a whirlwind! Gonna leave a little nugget for you for when you have a moment to answer … tell me about “Lost River Diamonds.” I am obsessed with this track. I think it should be a lock groove on the vinyl. FOREVER.

AM: Hi! We are ships. Just headed to airport home from Toronto. I saw some clips of the show and it looked amazing! You embody the music, it’s very mesmerizing! Again – congratulations. That “Lost River” track was a very last second, down-to-the-wire addition thought up by the amazing engineer and co-conspirator on the album Jace Lasek. We were in mastering and wondering where to fade in murmurations and then he pulled the ghosty BG vocals and added the wind sounds of how the forest is outside of the studio. I’m hoping it finds its way into a meditation room. I am equally obsessed with you releasing (the beautiful) 12-minute first single you BOSS. How does it feel to yield into that kind of timing? Did you feel any stress knowing you are asking for commitment to space in such a swipe-hungry world? It’s stunning.

MR: Oh my goodness, apologies for the lag here but this is that real mom musician shit! Hahaha! I had so much more time to write you while I was away in Nashville. Now I am home and back in the grind! I love that the wind sounds on “Lost River Diamonds” are real and right outside the studio! That piece feels so physical and spatial and it totally makes sense now. It’s basically like a sound map of where you made the album. I love it. Re: my long ass “single”…I turn 40 in July. I can do whatever I want now. 

AM: Oh lord. Do I get it. I think we have LOADS too so we probably can wrap the mag version but now I want to be your friend forever! I love this feeling that you have from turning 40. I turned 50 right at the beginning of making this record. Definitely most definitely had a HUGE influence on the writing. I don’t know why the text is moving like that lol. 

MR: I can’t wait to turn 50 hahaha. I find aging so comforting. And yes, let’s be friends forever! When are you in Toronto next? 

AM: Quickly in June but extended in July.

MR: Please reach out next time you are in town if you feel the urge/have the time. And do keep in touch in general. And very excited to get a copy of your album and see the artwork big and red! Sending love and solidarity! 

AM: Me too Meg. What an honour and privilege to have this time with you!!!!

MR: <3

Amy Millan’s I Went To Find You is out on May 30 (Last Gang Records)
U.S. Girls’ Scratch It is out on June 20 (Royal Mountain Records)

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